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I once meditated and conquered my self hate. When I felt the hatred towards me, it turned to peace. And I felt a "vortex" somehow diminish in my mind. I speculate that it was the factory of my negative thoughts towards myself. It was responsible for my habitual self-destructive thougths. I think the vortex was a chackra being clensed.

I also...

I lost control of my thougts, and meditation would lead me to ease my panicking. It would lead to poping my back. Which was not easy, my focus had to be greater than my panicking. My friend explained that my subconscious was overloaded and it triggered a nerve. When I meditated I felt energy in the center of my forehead (where a chackra is located).

I once poped my back and suddenly I was aware that I had flesh, as if my consciouness was deviated from reality, I looked at my hand and I was aware of my flesh. As if in the lower region of my back cotained my soul and it retreated there for safety.

When I do pop my back, it seems to me that im rewiring my neck tendons, and can introspect my emotions from my chest...I think a traumatic experience damgaed the connections, and im in a process of healing myself.

There was period of time where my emotions where really bothersome and I had to run to ease them and my mind. I thought the weight of them would kill me if I did not take action.

Im not 100% sure that chakras exist, -sigh- but I am sure someting is wrong with my head.

Also I add: I once woke up and my body with a will of its own started choking myself (lightly), if anyone one can name the phenomena for me I would appreciate it :D. ( My theory, my self hate was moved to my subconsciouse and being it active durong a dream I must have tapped into it...I cant explai why I feel I share my body with some other entity...my subconsciouse?)

I also dont think psychwards are effective, infact I scorn them. Because, they dont neccesarily respect your views and like Jhon Paquette pointed out, Psychology as a science is questionable. How do we know what the medicene does. How can a pill be said to fix irrational thoughts, when we dont know the content of consciouness. I dont think pills cure depression, the only real medicine is cheering up, which is easier said than done but for me it is the most rational anwser. Its not a poor amount of serotonin that causes depression, its depression that causes a low amount of serotonin.

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I think people are confusing cause and effect. If you feel guilty, that will cause your chest to tightened due to signals from the brain. There isn't a "chakra" in your chest that sends out guilt signals.

(Mar 02 '12 at 17:09) Humbug Humbug's gravatar image

When I meant that I'm rewiring my neck, i mean to say that it is the bridge between the mind and the chest. Can you elaborate?

(Mar 02 '12 at 17:38) Sage Sage's gravatar image

I have no idea what you mean by "introspect your emotions from your chest". Do you have brain cells in your chest? Or do you think your emotions emanates from your chest from something else other than your brain?

(Mar 02 '12 at 20:52) Humbug Humbug's gravatar image

The 2cnd one. I say my emotions reside in my chest and focusing my mind, lets me distinguish what particular emotion it is.

(Mar 03 '12 at 09:21) Sage Sage's gravatar image
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Solving psychological problems is difficult, and the science of doing it is in its infancy.

There is much pseudo-science in it, as well as ancient practices and their associated conceptualizations/terminology.

While some of the ancient practices can be effective, this doesn't mean that their conceptualizations are valid.

Unpacking these practices from their invalid conceptualizations can be difficult, and I'd argue that it's not always necessary. If a method works for you, there's little harm in using old terminology which is used to describe personal experience. Just recognize that these old terms (such as "chackras") can be laced with mysticism -- and while a practice such as meditation can be helpful, being mystical is never helpful.

Practical sciences of bodily control, such as singing, or athletics, or even of dealing with an anxiety attack, usually involve imagination for the sake of achieving a particular bodily result. The things imagined can be totally fictional or strange, but such imaginings serve as a way of reminding oneself how to act. This kind of imagination can be extremely effective, and so, in the right context, it is a very good thing.

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Spot on. This is what I was trying convey about chakras in my thread concerning astral projection. BTW imagination is not only effective but just can't be dispensed with to get the right results in cases such as meditation or astral projection.

(Mar 03 '12 at 12:20) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

Sorry, HarPea, I can't get behind astral projection, because it is such a fundamentally mystical idea. That it might have some positives in practice, the fundamental mysticalness of it strikes me as an evasion of its true nature (if it has a true nature).

Giving your mind to mystical notions, and commiting to applying them in your life is not a good thing. There comes a point when mystical ideas must be rejected to obtain long-term good effect.

(Mar 03 '12 at 12:39) John Paquette ♦ John%20Paquette's gravatar image

Hmm. Could you please explicitly define "Mysticism" and your explicit understanding of astral projection? And how do you categorize astral projection under mysticism?

(Mar 03 '12 at 13:02) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

I should say that mysticism is actually not such a loose idea as many will have you believe. Many people think that mysticism is actually about magic and a guy with a wand and pointy hat. Actually mysticism is about the knowing of reality by being rather than by thought. Upon examination, thought owe its existence to discrimination and it never exist independently. In order for thoughts to exist there has to be a contrast. In a rational world 1+1=2 is an absolute, in mysticism it is not.

(Mar 03 '12 at 17:03) se7ensnakes se7ensnakes's gravatar image

One of the first things you do when you practice meditation is relaxation. By practice you learn to relax at will and control physical responses. Many people dont think much about the power of relaxation because they themselves have no tried it, but in actually it is very powerful. If you learn to relax, then when you are about to speak in a group or if you are about to repel from a very high mountain and you begin to shake uncontrollably you can regain your composure by using your will power to relax. Similarly when you feel anxiety, you can learn to dismiss your anxiety by will power.

(Mar 03 '12 at 17:09) se7ensnakes se7ensnakes's gravatar image

There are many chakras in your body but only seven major chakras. One of the common chakras is the heart chakra. This Chakra is call Heart because you can feel it in the heart region. When you are emotionally stressed, or for example when you are passionate about someone or something, there is a very pronounce feeling in the heart region.

(Mar 03 '12 at 17:15) se7ensnakes se7ensnakes's gravatar image

Fact vs. Interpretation

Fact:

You see a ball.

Interpretation using strong logic:

The ball is flying at you because it's getting bigger over time.

Interpretation using weak logic:

  • Ball was thrown at you because someone wants you to catch it.

  • Ball was thrown at you because someone wants to hit you in the face.

  • Ball was thrown to person behind you.

  • God threw the ball at you. etc.

Moral of story:

Be VERY careful with your interpretations or you will end up with an invalid model of reality.

(Mar 03 '12 at 18:48) Humbug Humbug's gravatar image

Mysticism is any claim to knowledge not based in perception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

How many concepts (like "astral plane") in the above article have no basis in sense-perception? Lots of them.

People don't need to learn any more about how to disconnect their minds from reality and imagine floating around and observing themselves from the outside. The fact is, since your eyes are in your head, you cannot see yourself from above.

Learning to pretend you can is a dubious skill at best.

(Mar 03 '12 at 19:30) John Paquette ♦ John%20Paquette's gravatar image

I agree with Humbug's comment.

(Mar 03 '12 at 23:53) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

@ John Paquette: I suggest you don't refer Wikipedia for info on Astral Projectin. I read it & observed that it offers a largely mystical view of the same. Astral Projection is just an altered state of consciousness like Beta, Alpha, Theta & Delta states of mind. It can comparable to dream but a dream which is hard to distinguish from reality. It's comparable to lucid dreaming. BTW, lucid dreaming experiences of Chris Nolan inspired him to make Inception.

(Mar 03 '12 at 23:54) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

In order to demystify the concept of Astral Projection, I offer an excerpt from A Treatise on Astral Projection. "What is the Astral Dimension? The astral is the closest dimension to the physical. It overlays and permeates the world like a huge mind net, catching and holding all thought. Its contents are created by the collective consciousness of the world mind..."

(Mar 03 '12 at 23:57) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

"...It contains all the thoughts, memories, fantasies, and dreams of every living thing in the world. In it, the laws of sympathetic attraction, or like attracts like, causes this ocean of mind stuff to strata and settle into layers or pools. These pools of thought are more commonly called astral planes, astral worlds, astral sub planes or astral realms."

(Mar 03 '12 at 23:57) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

"...The astral dimension is composed of astral matter and is aptly described as mind stuff. It is extremely sensitive to thought and can be molded into any shape or form. These creations can be so perfect as to be indistinguishable from reality."

(Mar 03 '12 at 23:58) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

"The best way to explain this, mind stuff is to draw a comparison between astral matter and unexposed, high-speed photographic film. When this film is exposed to light, focused by the camera lens, a perfect image of reality is instantly burnt into the film by the chemical reaction of the film to light..."

(Mar 03 '12 at 23:59) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

"... When astral matter is exposed to thought, focused by the lens of the mind, a perfect image of reality is instantly formed out of astral mind stuff by the reaction of astral matter to thought. The complexity and durability of any creation in the astral dimension depends largely on the strength of the mind doing the creating."

(Mar 03 '12 at 23:59) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

According to John Paquette- " Mysticism is any claim to knowledge not based in perception."

Astral Projection is an 'experience' and should not serve as a means of knowledge. It is an experience like a roller coaster ride or hiking or lucid dreaming (although 1000 times better. No kiddin'). Our sub-conscious mind does not know the difference between reality & imagination.

(Mar 04 '12 at 00:04) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

Try reading psychology.

(Mar 04 '12 at 00:05) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

HarPea: Wouldn't it be better to just create new vocabulary that does not have all the things that you don't want? It is much easier to get people to adopt a new concept if you have a new word for it rather than trying to get them to re-define an existing concept that they already have in their mind.

(Mar 04 '12 at 03:37) Humbug Humbug's gravatar image

HarPea quoted: "... When astral matter is exposed to thought, focused by the lens of the mind, a perfect image of reality is instantly formed out of astral mind stuff by the reaction of astral matter to thought. The complexity and durability of any creation in the astral dimension depends largely on the strength of the mind doing the creating."

This is the assertion of the existence of a realm where consciousness really does have primacy over existence, where thought creates what it observes.

Objectivism holds that the mind does not create what it observes. (cont'd)

(Mar 04 '12 at 09:38) John Paquette ♦ John%20Paquette's gravatar image

The desire to have contact with a realm where consciousness has the power to create things is a vestige of very old thinking -- where wishing can make it so.

Objectivists don't just claim that existence has primacy over consciousness -- they don't pine for a world where consciousness has the ability to create what it observes.

I'm of the opinion that people who care a wit about astral projection are wasting their time wishing for something impossible, and wrecking their mind by using it for an anti-real purpose.

(Mar 04 '12 at 09:44) John Paquette ♦ John%20Paquette's gravatar image
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Furthermore, I'll add the strong claim that anyone who claims to be a teacher of the "skill" of astral projection is a mystic and a charlatan.

The mind should be used for observing and learning, not for faking observation.

(Mar 04 '12 at 09:51) John Paquette ♦ John%20Paquette's gravatar image

"This is the assertion of the existence of a realm where consciousness really does have primacy over existence, where thought creates what it observes." Yes, in fact, consciousness DOES have a primacy over existence in the astral realm in my own personal experience. So is the case with lucid dreaming. Just because Objectivists haven't experienced the like doesn't mean it is not there. It's time Objectivists revisit their Metaphysics, re-examine their premises. One question for Objectivists- what is it that you really care about-loyalty to Objectivism & Ayn Rand or the Truth?

(Mar 04 '12 at 09:56) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

I hope you take your time out & watch this- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7799171063626430789 I myself am going to work on a paper supporting it & publish it later this year.

(Mar 04 '12 at 09:58) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

From the Peter Russell video posted by HarPea:

"Everything is mind."

"We can actually produce an argument that shows that he fundamental nature of reality is actually consciousness."

These two ideas are in direct contradiction to the most fundamental ideas of Objectivism: http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/existence.html

Given Peter Russell starts here, I'm a little tempted to write a book about all the mistakes he continues to make further in.

But I simply do not have time now. I'll just say that Peter Russell and Ayn Rand are antithetical people.

(Mar 04 '12 at 10:19) John Paquette ♦ John%20Paquette's gravatar image

A valuable Ayn Rand quote here is "A consciousness conscious of nothing but itself is a contradiction in terms."

(Mar 04 '12 at 10:24) John Paquette ♦ John%20Paquette's gravatar image

"One question for Objectivists- what is it that you really care about-loyalty to Objectivism & Ayn Rand or the Truth?"

We care more about the truth. I can say that with complete certainty. To hold loyalty to Ayn Rand first would be to reject the entire philosophy.

A true Objectivist isn't one just because he likes Ayn Rand. It's because he agrees with his her thoughts, based on his own observations and thinking.

(Mar 04 '12 at 10:33) John Paquette ♦ John%20Paquette's gravatar image

So John, do you personall belive in chackras?

(May 29 '12 at 13:58) Sage Sage's gravatar image

No. I do not.

(May 29 '12 at 15:50) John Paquette ♦ John%20Paquette's gravatar image

I had experiences where I meditated and found clarity. I There are a lot of views of chakras, but the basic thing to understand is that its energy in the body, and there is a network similar to veins that distrubute the energy. there is no proof of them....and the only example i ccan think of that might suggest it exist is..when you think something/experience something like seeing a girl you have crush on you get butterfy in your stomach...this butterfly sensation is energy stored in you stomach ( especially if you talk to the girl with courage). when a warrior goes to combat he yells

(Jun 10 '12 at 12:50) Sage Sage's gravatar image

Why because he is summnoning he strength utilizing chakras. I am going to study chakras I feel there is great meaning in doing it. I am a sage. And what I mean by that is that i have a knowledglble understanding of what I am , and therefore others.Chakras do exist! Mark my words they do. Emotions arent just chemicals, the body is just instrument to our spirit/chakras.

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