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How can one claim that a businessman "built" something when in fact his business was established by virtue of the input of others? For example, a person who starts a business must first acquire the knowledge from an educator. Then, he/she must obtain a loan from a bank. Next, he/she must rent a building, which was built by construction workers. To make the business viable, the roads had to be built, either by government or by private companies. The teacher, the banker, the construction worker (and definitely more people) were all necessary in the making of the business. Yes, all of these people were paid in full for their labor (whether it was teaching or building roads), but a business would be nowhere without their labor. It is illogical to say that one person was solely responsible for "building that" business. The business person used his/her own mental effort to organize all of these elements in a unique way, but it seems to be incorrect for this person to say "I built that," as it does not give due credit to "those who helped him/her along the way." A successful business starts with the voluntary, collective input of others.
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The line of thinking encapsulated in this question is not new in the history of philosophy. Ayn Rand anticipated it and thoroughly blasted it (along with many other fallacies) more than 50 years ago in her epic novel, Atlas Shrugged. As Collin's comment on this question has already indicated, the essential fallacy is the denial of causality in regard to the role of the mind in man's existence. That causal connection (along with its moral implications) is the whole theme of Atlas Shrugged. Suppose two individuals, A and B, decide to engage in a trade of some kind. If one or both of them is engaging in the trade as part of building a business, do both deserve equal "credit" for helping to build each other's businesses? By the law of causality, Objectivism answers resoundingly, no! The business of 'A' is his idea, and so is his estimation that the trade with 'B' can help 'A' in building A's business. Unless 'A' and 'B' are partners in the same business or an affiliated one, B's willingness to engage in trade with 'A' has nothing to do with B's knowledge of, or any goal of helping to build, A's business. The question, in short, does not fully comprehend what trading is, and what it implies. 'B' certainly deserves to be paid in some way for trading with 'A'; if the trade is to make sense to both 'A' and 'B', each needs to have his own reasons for wanting to trade. If the payment is in the form of money, that's perfectly fine if it is agreeable to both 'A' and 'B'. Yet the question as worded seems to imply that monetary payment isn't enough. The payee somehow deserves "business-building" credit, also, on a par with the role of 'A' in conceiving of the idea for A's business and identifying the series of trades along the way that would benefit A's business-building effort. By the law of causality, that is pure nonsense. 'B' is not an essential cause of the creation and development of A's business. The primary cause, the prime mover of A's business, is 'A'. 'B' is only a trading partner, not a primary builder of the business. At most, it might be said that 'B' is one of a great many who benefit 'A' in A's business, but that is only an indirect effect, not a primary goal of anyone in the 'B' position relative to A's business. The primary goal, building A's business, is A's goal, not anyone else's, and the achievement of succeeding in that business is A's achievement, first and foremost. Others may help, but it's not their achievement and wasn't their goal. The question states: "For example, a person who starts a business must first acquire the knowledge from an educator." There are plenty of examples from the history of capitalism of great producers whose business acumen had more to do with their own vision and determination than with anything they learned from any educator. It's also a huge misconception to think that a business education will help much to build and/or maintain a business. In fact, business managers who have business degrees can actually hinder the success of a business if their fundamental visionary outlook doesn't measure up to the opportunities and demands of the market. The question states: "Then, he/she must obtain a loan from a bank." But there are many ways of obtaining initial investment capital. It doesn't have to be a loan, and it doesn't have to come from a bank. Some ventures can be self-funded by the business-builder himself, from his own existing assets. Many other ventures are funded by partnerships of various kinds with other investors. The question continues: "Next, he/she must rent a building, which was built by construction workers. To make the business viable, the roads had to be built, either by government or by private companies." It may be deeply baffling to many why receiving the benefit of ordinary trading with others should be considered gounds for the traders to receive special recognition as builders of the business, particularly since they are paid by the business owner for their efforts. There's more: "It is illogical to say that one person was solely responsible for 'building that' business." (Bold emphasis added.) Being the primary cause behind a business does not require that one build it without ever engaging in any trading with others. Indeed, trade with others is the essential lifeblood of any business. But the prime mover of the business, the primary cause of its original and on-going existence, is the business owner himself and any team members whom he may choose to assist him in running the business. The question continues: "The business person used his/her own mental effort to organize all of these elements in a unique way...." Indeed he did. What makes it possible for an observer to stare at a key issue such as this, and fail to see its significance? The answer is philosophy, specifically, a philosophy of mysticism-altruism-collectivism-statism. The question concludes by making the implicit connection to collectivism explicit: "A successful business starts with the voluntary, collective input of others." No it doesn't. It starts with an idea in the mind of someone who wants to build a business, and depends first and foremost on the continuing vision and energy of the entrepreneur. Here is how Ayn Rand expresses this in Atlas Shrugged, Part III, Chapter I, in a scene in which John Galt explains to Dagny (in the Valley): "We've heard so much about strikes," he said, "and about the dependence of the uncommon man upon the common. We've heard it shouted that the industrialist is a parasite, that his workers support him, create his wealth, make his luxury possible—and what would happen to him if they walked out? Very well. I propose to show to the world who depends on whom, who supports whom, who is the source of wealth, who makes whose livelihood possible and what happens to whom when who walks out." Those who today seek to advance the spread of collectivism by undermining the stature of great industrialists are counting on their audience not to have read Atlas Shrugged. Update: Justice for Producers Regarding "social benefits" such as public schools and roads, a commenter asks how best to respond to statements such as: "your products are delivered to stores on roads paid for by the rest of us" -- and through an education delivered in schools paid for by the rest of us. A hero in romantic fiction might answer: "Are you offering me a choice? And offering me a refund of my taxes if I forgo the use of government operated roads (and government-run schools)?" I would love to see this response in reality as well as in fiction. A mixed economy inevitably sets a vicious trap for conscientious producers: it limits or removes choices that would otherwise exist, forces citizens to pay for projects and services they might not want to support if they had a choice, and then tells producers everywhere that they allegedly have a "duty" to "give something back" to the society that allegedly made their success possible. That is not justice. It's exactly the opposite, obliteration of the role of the mind in man's existence. Update: Ownership in Trading In a comment, the questioner restates his central thesis very succinctly: When Obama said "You didn't get there on your own," he meant that no one succeeds by themselves, and that is true. When you trade with other people, and use the products of that trade to build your business, that still counts as others helping you along the way even if you're the primary driver. Even when people buy your products, they help you build your business by giving you money. Collaborative effort is required in almost all business scenarios. Milton Friedman even said that no one person can produce a pencil. This formulation adds nothing new to the original question, other than mentioning Obama and Friedman, with a shift to building a pencil rather than building a business. This formulation and the original question both lead to the conclusion, for example, that Atlas Shrugged should not be regarded as Ayn Rand's own achievement. She sat on a chair at a desk while writing; she wrote on sheets of paper with pencils and/or pens; she used electric light some of the time, which depends on light bulbs, wire, and many other materials, along with electricity generated and transmitted by others; she lived in a building in New York that she didn't own herself; and so on, Therefore, by the logic of the questioner's thesis, all these other manufacturers, inventors, and even ordinary delivery people deserve part of the credit for producing Atlas Shrugged, along with book agents, publishers, distributors, bookstores, etc. The list is endless. Ayn Rand, too, would, by this thinking, deserve part of the credit for every other achievement by anyone who benefitted in any direct or indirect way from trading with Ayn Rand. A trade between 'A' and 'B' involves the exchange of something of value from 'A' to 'B' and also from 'B' to 'A' in return. If 'B' retains some claim over 'A' as a result of the trade, the reverse must also be true: 'A' retains some permanent claim over 'B' as a result of "helping" 'B' to exist. The end result is that all owe something to all. It's total collectivism. Individuals no longer exist, except as integral parts of the collective whole. Individual achievement doesn't exist; the role of the mind in man's existence is nothing like the way Atlas Shrugged portrays it. The questioner not only misrepresents the nature of trade, but uses that misrepresentation to undermine the whole reality of the role of the mind in man's existence. What, then, is the essence of the flaw in the questioner's thinking? My original answer explains most of the issues. There remains one issue, however, that needs more explicit emphasis: a trade involves a change of ownership, not merely custody, of values. Any claim by 'A' to a value that 'A' gives to 'B' ends when the trade is completed, and vice versa. There is no on-going, lingering claim by 'A' to a value that he has willingly given to 'B' in a voluntary trade (other than as might be explicitly agreed by contract of some kind, such as a warranty, for example). The countless millions who allegedly made Atlas Shrugged possible have no such claim on Ayn Rand's achievement. It's hers entirely, not theirs, because it was her idea and her effort in creating it. (Ayn Rand has acknowledged intellectual debts to her predecessors, Victor Hugo and Aristotle; that is the only kind of debt that would be philosophically appropriate.) As for Milton Friedman, his essential point about the pencil is very different from the questioner's thesis. Furthermore, Ayn Rand strongly disapproved of him in any case. In The Ayn Rand Letter, Volume IV No. 3, she remarked: "I have virtually nothing in common with Mr. Friedman, whom I do not regard as an advocate of capitalism...." @Ideas: The answer for education isn't a sufficiently comprehensive answer to the likes of Elizabeth Warren. The fact that the business man did receive a publicly funded education do expose him to taking on the guilt of owing something to "society". At some point, someone taught him the simple basics of 2+2 = 4 and usually it's the teacher since most parents have delegated that responsibility to the public education system. I can ask a separate question for a proper response to such an argument if you think it's beyond the scope of this question. Government run schools would not exist under laissez faire capitalism with a system of government limited to its proper functions. If we are discussing living conditions in a mixed economy, many issues will be affected, as compared to life in a fully free society. Agreed on free society comment. However, given that we're not living in a free society, what is a proper argument against the "your education was paid for by the rest of us"? The one I have today is: "One may reasonably argue that I owe the the cost of my education to those who actually PAID for it. Not to those who consumed more from the system than they put in in the past and not to those who are not born yet (aka paying it forward)." Agreed, but I don't see it as essential as the issue of capitalism versus a mixed economy, with staunch opposition to the latter. Few today would seriously fault a successful businessman for having attended public, tax-supported, government-run schools as a child, whose source of schooling was decided mainly by his parents and paid for by them through mandatory taxes. I say we should tell the collectivists and altruists that Objectivists stand for reason, egoism, individualism, and capitalism. When Obama said "You didn't get there on your own," he meant that no one succeeds by themselves, and that is true. When you trade with other people, and use the products of that trade to build your business, that still counts as others helping you along the way even if you're the primary driver. Even when people buy your products, they help you build your business by giving you money. Collaborative effort is required in almost all business scenarios. Milton Friedman even said that no one person can produce a pencil. "Any claim by 'A' to a value that 'A' gives to 'B' ends when the trade is completed" But that does not change the metaphysical fact that this value was not created by 'A.' Person 'A' can claim/possess the value but cannot say that he created the value. Person 'A' can utilize this value in a unique way to make a successful business, in which case the value contributes to the success. But logically speaking, given that the value would not exist without 'B', the success of the business would not have either. Before person 'A' could use his mind to use the value, it had to exist first. "Person 'A' can utilize this value in a unique way to make a successful business" Are you drawing a distinction between the word "make" and the word "create" and the word "build"? Or did you just concede that person A made/built/created "a successful business"? I agree with you that something which is bought by A is not created by A. But if A buys X, Y, and, Z, and combines them to form W, that W was created by A. W did not exist before the action by A. Before A created W, it was only X, Y, and Z. @anthony--But X, Y, and Z still helped person 'A' along the way; thus person 'A' could not get to W without the people who made X, Y, and Z. Maybe. Depending, of course, on the values of W, X, Y, and Z. So what? So, when Obama said "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help," he was correct. The people who made X, Y, and Z helped person 'A' along the way. Even if the entire alphabet helped person A learn how to read, write, and use the toilet, do you realize that what you're arguing for is the idea that you don't have a right to the fruits of your own labor? Do you realize that Obama supports the notion that men cannot stand on their own, that they all belong to everyone else for the common good? Do you realize that that way of thinking has been tried so many times throughout human history and has failed every time? Do you realize that the "common good" has led to the deaths of millions in China, Russia, Germany, and North Korea? Do you? They all wanted one collectivist group and they murdered the ones who do not fit their criteria. Now ask yourself: Did Obama get to where he did on his own? No, he didn't. Somebody else made that happen, and they're called the people of United States of America, and they elected him on the premise that he works for us to uphold our rights. @Collin1--Just because someone helps you does not mean you belong to them. A successful business person monetarily compensates those who help him, but that does not mean he got there without their help. By the way, the top ten happiest countries, of which the USA is not a part of, provide for the common good using wealth redistribution. It has led to no deaths that you speak of. These top ten happiest countries also provide universal healthcare for their citizens. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-happiest-countries-in-the-world.html?page=all @Collin1--"do you realize that what you're arguing for is the idea that you don't have a right to the fruits of your own labor?" I've never made that argument. In fact you do have a right to the fruits of your labor, but you can't be intellectually honest and say you did it all by yourself. I talked about wealth redistribution among the top ten happiest countries but I still oppose it on moral grounds. But it is interesting that the top ten happiest countries engage in this practice, and their citizens love it. To me, happiness is all but an opinion. The government forces its citizens in those countries to give away their money through taxation. I don't know to whom that money is going to, nor do I have a choice. I will be charitable amongst the people I choose. The government shouldn't get into that. Am I happy? No. But there are reasons why I'm not happy, and none of them have anything to do with capitalism. Capitalism works-but only when it's allowed to. I'm not happy because I'm afraid I'll fail even if I do the right thing. I'm afraid I can never accomplish what I want. I can go all day on why I'm unhappy. I've spoken to a friend about this and he attributed it to a self-esteem problem. On the other hand, that article could have said anything about anyone. Happiness is an opinion. If you interview enough people, I bet you can find some happy Haitians. Hey, maybe some Kenyans are happy, too. There are plenty of people who will claim they're happy if they've found a job they enjoy, a family they love, and a home they've actually earned. Knowledge is not automatic. You learn every day. Sometimes, knowledge is acquired in a school, but regardless of who gave it to you, what really matters is what you do with it. The people who try to take credit for your achievements are acting as if they have a claim on your mind. To tell you the truth, I consider myself self-educated. Those teachers and professors throughout my educational career--pardon my French--hadn't taught me shit. I read the books I wanted to read, I read them at my own pace, and I never forgot what my mind absorbed. I forgot what I learned in school, though. This puts me in a unique situation. A person who taught himself about the field of philosophy-particularly Objectivism-cannot be taken advantage of by educators because they had no hand in my education. If I manage to be successful in life, I will have done it on my own because I chose according to my own free will to pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged and read it. "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help." I'm not sure "gave you some help" is quite the same as "helped you [as part of an exchange for mutual benefit]". But in any case... So what? Is the point supposed to be that because someone helped you, you ought to "give something back"? But that can't be it. When you bought X, Y, and Z, you already gave something back. You paid for X. You paid for Y. You paid for Z. You earned the money to make those payments. Furthermore, you made W, and then you sold W to B. That helped B. But I guess that isn't enough. Now here comes O, to collect from X, Y, Z, A, and B. Especially A, that pesky ringleader.
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He did build it. No, he didn't directly construct the building, but he was the one acting on his own capabilities and opportunities to become an independent job-maker. He put the gears in motion. The difference between a businessman and a politician is that the businessman doesn't tell you how to run your own life. In Atlas Shrugged, James tried to discredit Hank Rearden for his revolutionary new metal in a conversation to Cheryl, after the successful first-run of the John Galt Line. Because of him, Cheryl would later commit suicide, so it's not good to say the businessman didn't build that.
Would you say to a baker of a cake: "you didn't bake that?" No, he didn't grow the wheat or sugar, nor raise the chickens (or lay the eggs), but he did bake the cake.
A businessman does BUILD a business from elements he finds or buys.
Just like a baker of a cake.
Given that we're not living in a free society, what is a proper argument against the "your products are delivered to stores on roads paid for by the rest of us"?