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Has anyone here tried astral projection yet? What are your views on energy chakras & spiritual healing?

asked Feb 21 '12 at 06:58

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I have not tried astral projection but it seems like an new play on older mystical religious beliefs. Per Wikipedia: AP is "an interpretation of out-of-body experience (OBE) that assumes the existence of an "astral body" separate from the physical body and capable of traveling outside it.[1] Astral projection or travel denotes the astral body leaving the physical body to travel in the astral plane. The idea of astral travel is rooted in common worldwide religious accounts of the afterlife[2]". As such I would assume it has little place in a rational person's life. Ditto energy chakras etc.

(Feb 21 '12 at 08:25) Danneskjold_repo Danneskjold_repo's gravatar image

It is true that the body is connected to emotions. We can see it in phrases such as

Guilt: - sinking feeling - knots in the stomach

Fear: - goosebumps - hair standing on back of neck

Love: - warm fuzzies all over

etc.

It is good to be aware of these manifestation in the body as it helps you identify what your emotions are and from there the thoughts that's causing it.

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING in the Vedic tradition becomes believable. Mysticism isn't 100% untrue. It is by including truth that they get you to accept untruth.

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I received an email a while back & this is interesting. As I told, science is on its way to verify OBEs. Visit this link- http://www.theartofastralprojection.com/blog/obe-science-lab

OBE & Astral projection are different experiences. I have experienced the latter. The former is much more advanced. Personally, I found the experience helped me to understand myself to an extent that I couldn't have by years of conscious introspection. It is both revealing & rewarding.

(Mar 03 '12 at 12:12) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

It's difficult to explain to an Objectivist but would you deny that we humans are deeply spiritual? Haven't you experienced what being spiritual is like while having sex? Astral Projection is a means to connecting to that spiritual self of yours.

(Mar 03 '12 at 12:12) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

I 'guess' it's the word "Spiritual" that Objectivists are hard-wired to associate with Mysticism. But I don't know of any other terminology.

(Mar 03 '12 at 12:13) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

Actually, I don't think Objectivists would associate "spiritual" with mysticism. More likely is that they would defend to the death precisely that distinction (between "spiritual" and "mystic"). That said, a man's spirit is his rational mind. Spiritual endeavors are those pertaining to thought and/or emotion, and they are profoundly important to human life. To claim anything more about man's "spirit" (especially its existential efficacy apart from action) IS to equate "spiritual" with "mystical", and thus to diminish or abolish precisely that crucial importance of rational spiritual endeavors.

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HarPea, it seems like you are trying to justify astral projection ("AP") by convincing us that it is really just (a) imagination, and/or (b) introspection, and then pointing out that those seem like good things to do and therefor AP must also be good.

First, it does not seem to me that your interpretation is accurate--the main point of AP as I understand it is a belief in "you" (e.g., your "spirit," or "astral body") being able to leave your physical body. I have not found anything about it merely being a metaphor for "looking inward & spirituality"--believers actually think they are literally separated from their body.

Second, even if your interpretation of AP is correct, we already have concepts for imagination and introspection, namely "imagination" and "introspection." If you want to use your imagination or to introspect, then you should--both are good things to do in the proper contexts. But calling it astral projection is only going to confuse you and have a destructive effect on your life, because AP is a "package deal" that includes irrational and destructive ideas along with the rational and beneficial ideas. You should not believe in things that cannot be proved to you rationally by objective evidence, which means the evidence of your senses integrated by your faculty of reason.

answered Feb 21 '12 at 17:53

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By saying that it's difficult to consciously imagine/ re-create reality in the mind's eye, I'm trying to point out how easily & effortlessly we do the same in our lucid dreams or while astral projecting. I personally don't believe in the mystical explanation attached to astral projection.

(Feb 22 '12 at 00:53) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

HarPea,

Try looking up "transient ischemic attack". Given the mind-numbing chanting, food/sleep derivation and rhythmic rocking usually associated with these "Mystic" activities. For my money, TIA's are a much better/rational explanation for what's going on and does not require the assertion of an "Astral Plane".

As for Spiritual Healing - you might want to research the so-called "Placebo Effect". Again, a much more rational explanation that does not require any unexplainable mystic forces to be added to the mix.

I realize that this may seem like I'm "Taking all the fun out of it." But in my experience the truth is always more interesting that even the most imaginative of fairy tales.

answered Feb 21 '12 at 14:28

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What does it even mean to "try astral projection"? How can you try something that's imaginary (except, I guess, by engaging in imagination)?

Do you mean have we tried to imagine our consciousness leaving our body (how?) and going to the astral plane (which is where?). Consciousness does not and cannot exist without the body; they cannot be separated. Alternate "planes of consciousness" do not exist, except in the imagination.

Chakras are supposed to be a form of spiritual energy. My view is that the whole idea is based entirely on imagination and emotion; it has no basis in reality. Yes, the body does have an observable, measurable electrical energy system; but that's not related to what chakras are supposed to be.

Regarding spiritual healing: I've heard the term, of course, but it seems contradictory to me. I've also heard it used in two ways: to heal the spirit itself, or to use the spirit to heal the physical body. The spirit is supposed to be ephemeral, without physical form, so why would it ever need to be healed (after all, it can "live on" after death). And since the spirit does not have physical form, how can it impact (heal) something that does have physical form (the body). Again, I think the people who believe this kind of thing often confuse emotions and imagination for something else.

answered Feb 25 '12 at 20:54

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Just because you think so or just because you have not experienced astral projection or OBE yet doesn't make it true. There's a clear difference between imagination & astral projection in my experience. Imagination is at a conscious level while astral projection is at a sub-conscious level.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1842627,00.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/23/what-happen-when-we-die_n_882738.html#s296717&title=There_Is_An

(Feb 26 '12 at 04:48) HarPea HarPea's gravatar image

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