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My friend said that Gay pride is about not being ashamed of the way you were born. It’s about overcoming centuries of victimization, persecution and being terrified of acknowledging – even to ourself – who you are. Is this a legitimate reason for such an activity.

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I think it is imperative to fight against and push back on injustice like the victimization, persecution, and terror historically dished out to LGBT folks by thuggish bigots (primarily theistic thuggish bigots). However, I think the term "gay pride" is a misguided mess.

According to Wikipedia, "gay pride" is "the concept that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people should be proud of their sexual orientation and gender identity."

But this is confused on its face: moral evaluation can (properly) only apply to that which we have volitional control over, to actions we choose. So nobody should take pride in or be ashamed of anything which is itself outside of their control as moral agents -- like having blond hair, five fingers, or the mere fact of being straight. That's why it would seem (or should seem) inappropriate or even silly for someone to trumpet "five-fingered pride" or "straight pride". Those sorts of things aren't in the moral sphere.

I think LGBT folks would do better to focus on educating the world (and themselves) about the proper sphere of morality, and to fight for the capitalist society that would defend their and everyone's freedom to live without fear of physical coercion.

answered Nov 15 '10 at 18:12

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Yes, as Ayn Rand said, the smallest minority on earth is the individual. That is the basis of all rights, not this-and-that group. It's a good intention, but easily lost in "gay pride" statements, that it's because of the way we are born AS INDIVIDUAL HUMANS, whatever our other characteristics, that justifies pride in our identity.

(Nov 16 '10 at 23:07) QEDbyBrett ♦ QEDbyBrett's gravatar image

I find it ironic that so many gays are leftists.

(Jan 09 '12 at 20:25) John Pryce ♦ John%20Pryce's gravatar image

@John: You can blame the religious right for that.

(Jan 09 '12 at 20:33) Humbug Humbug's gravatar image

Ironic, but not surprising. Even apart from the religious right, the class-warfare attitude of the left has always sought to coopt oppressed minorities.

(Jan 10 '12 at 14:23) FCH FCH's gravatar image

I think this actually goes beyond just politics: I see it in my lesbian best friend, who is unfortunately teetering dangerously between life-affirming philosophy and hopelessly irrational ideas. I find it entirely unsurprising that upon figuring out that something about her was supposed to be "queer", or not conventionally right, she would easily be attracted to non-conformist pro-"minority" ideas. I just hope I still have time enough to turn her around...

(Jan 10 '12 at 15:26) FCH FCH's gravatar image

While reading this post, I could not help but think of Allergy Pride from Portlandia. It's hilarious. http://youtu.be/PiNXXM2mn9Y

(Jan 10 '12 at 16:25) Vince Martinez Vince%20Martinez's gravatar image
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Gay Pride is false pride.

True pride is an emotional reward for a job well done. Claiming pride as the result of your membership in some group is intellectually dishonest, diminishes the value of true pride, and can only serve to reduce the chance for personal happiness in the long term.

Here's how I look at pride:

  1. Reason is the source, the precondition of productive work
  2. Productive work is the purpose of a rational person's life
  3. Pride is the result

answered Jan 11 '12 at 03:10

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This makes a whole lot of sense. One whould have pride in one's achievements and productivity not just in belonging to an ethnic or national or sexual group. That said, it is fine for gay folks to band together to make sure that no laws are made that violate their rights in any way (and there sure have been may such laws in the past).

(Jan 14 '12 at 12:02) Danneskjold_repo Danneskjold_repo's gravatar image

Sure. It's fine for people to band together for whatever reasons and in whatever ways they wish, provided they aren't violating the rights of others in the process. But claiming pride from membership in such a group is a completely different thing.

(Jan 14 '12 at 19:26) Rick ♦ Rick's gravatar image

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