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A question that has been cropping up lately as Veteran's Day passes is if this idea of treating our veterans with honor regardless of their individual decisions is appropriate. This view of things has become even more pronounced with those of younger ages slowly beginning to learn real American military history, and the fact that it has been quite some time since America has been engaged in a defensive war. This is further compounded by the highly controversial wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was speaking with an Anarcho-Capitalist the other day, and he suggested that no veterans deserve his respect or thanks and then posted this: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance216.html Several of his comments:
Naturally I disagreed with this position but I am curious what a more elegant refutation of these ideas in general via Objectivism would be. Is this a result of concrete-bound thinking?
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Obviously, no individual or group literally receives automatic moral approval. Military veterans can be good people or bad people. On the whole, however, the U.S. military deserves our immense respect and appreciation. We owe them our liberty and our security. (This is true in spite of the fact that in the last several decades, our military has increasingly been used for purposes other than American interests, from humanitarian missions to nation-building. Vets aren't responsible for those wars; our politicians are, especially our disgraceful line of recent presidents.) Moreover, the military today receives heaps of undeserved scorn—from anarchists such as this acquaintance of yours, and from pacifists on the left. Thus, on Veteran's Day and every day, a military veteran should by default have our respect (that is, unless you happen to know something negative about a particular individual). |
Lewrockwell.com is an anti-American, racist-sympathizing, and religion-sympathizing site containing the absolute worst of the libertarians. I wouldn't give them attention by linking to them in this question.
I care not what perceptions are of the website. Can you argue against the content in the link posted? What matters is the content of the referenced postings. I really don't care what the general theme is, there are usually exceptions on such sites (LewRockwell does, sometimes, have good posts). This is also why I don't go to just certain sites, but a wide variety because sometimes certain websites can have gems worth noting. The basis for his argument is derived from the historical representation of our military history within that post so therefore it is very relevant to the question.
It absolutely matters, if you are giving sanction to a website that is full of nihilists.
I am not giving the website sanction. I am asking for a proper response to this individuals overall argument. His argument is largely based on historical information within that specific posting, not political information, and the claims are well documented by quite a large number of people that have no connection to libertarianism or LewRockwell.com. If you do not wish to serve the purpose of this post in giving a proper answer to the question then please move to another question where you are willing to do so. Refusing to answer the question is not an answer in this instance.
I also do not think you understand what the end-game of political nihilism is. Lewrockwell.com is far from it. I know because when I was younger I was stupid enough to believe in a version of it for a short time. Political nihilists generally are no fans of Libertarians. Political nihilism at its finest is presented at counterorder.com and corrupt.org (that website seems to have had an ownership change).
Let's put it this way: I don't see a pressing need to go around the web and answer arguments from Christian Reconstructionists, the KKK, Stormfront, Maoists, or any other people who nakedly stand for unreason and brute force. And if I thought that, by sheer chance, one of their arguments had a glimmer of merit in some context -- then I sure as hell wouldn't advertise one of their sites as the source. Such publicity helps them to maintain the illusion that they are open to reason.
And yes, lewrockwell.com is that bad.
So in other words you aren't going to answer the question.
My understanding of objectivism is that individuals are to be judged on the evidence provided of their personal philosophy of life and how close it approximates the ideal of selfism.
Veterans are individuals and should be judged based on their conduct and personal philosophy not on their "veteranism." To either praise or condemn them as a group is to behave in a faith based manner and is irrational and immoral. Perhaps it would make it easier if one were top replace the adjective "veteran" with some other adjective such as person of color, female, spanish, or gay.
As for foreign policy in the Middle East and cheap oil, there is awesome intellectual ammunition in Alex Epstein's 3-part lecture series, The Triumph and Tragedy of the Oil Industry (a free download.)
All 3 parts are great listening, but you could start with part 3, which deals specifically with the oil discovery in Iran, it's seizure by the Shah, and the proper foreign policy response to the totalitarian Islamic menace, that would have saved thousands of American lives, had it been properly identified and dealt with.
I can't recommend this highly enough.