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If you agree that you can gauge or tell the popularity of an ideology, movement or position, by the success or failure of cultural media that is made about it, then, judging by the box office receipts, Objectivism is extremely unpopular.

The movie Atlas Shrugged: Part I, which came out in 2011, had a budget of $20 million dollars, but only took in $4.6 million bucks.

Atlas Shrugged: Part II, which came out in 2012, also bombed, taking in only $3.3 million dollars on a budget of $10 million.

For some extremely bizarre reason, they are planning to make Atlas Shrugged: Part III, due out in 2014.

We can see there is a strong reason to hold that the popularity of a movement or ideology can be very much gauged by cultural media that is made about it when we take The Passion of the Christ as another example. We can see how extremely powerful, extremely popular and influential Christianity is by this movie. $30 million dollar budget, taking in a whopping 611.8 million dollars. 6/10ths of a billion bucks.

So we have two questions here. Do you agree that the popularity and influence of a movement or ideology can be gauged by cultural media that is made about it?

And if so, does the failure of the Atlas Shrugged movies show Objectivism has little to no popularity, and if so, is this a permanent state of affairs?

asked Feb 18 '14 at 23:22

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Given that the Atlas Shrugged movies were criticized by many Objectivists, no, I don't think the failure of those movies shows that Objectivism has "little to no popularity".

The book was on best-seller lists in both 1957 (New York Times) and 2009 (Amazon), however.

That said, I'm certainly not claiming that Objectivism is more popular than Christianity. In the US, Christianity is far more popular. In some other countries, Christianity is widely hated, and Objectivism is widely unheard of.

(Feb 19 '14 at 19:42) anthony anthony's gravatar image

There is little that I can add to the following excellent comment:

Given that the Atlas Shrugged movies were criticized by many Objectivists, no, I don't think the failure of those movies shows that Objectivism has "little to no popularity".

The book was on best-seller lists in both 1957 (New York Times) and 2009 (Amazon), however.

That said, I'm certainly not claiming that Objectivism is more popular than Christianity. In the US, Christianity is far more popular. In some other countries, Christianity is widely hated, and Objectivism is widely unheard of.

For those who would like a more detailed assessment of the present state of the culture and its likely future trend during the coming decades, I can recommend The DIM Hypothesis: Why the Lights of the West Are Going Out, by Leonard Peikoff. The book cites the growing influence of religion (misintegration) as most ominous. The hypothesis, in part, is that today's D1/D2 culture (disintegration) naturally gives way to M2 (misintegration) in the absence of a strong 'I' influence (integration) to oppose the trend toward M2. Objectivism is an 'I' philosophy, but time is fast running out for its ascendancy (on a timescale of roughly four more decades).

answered Mar 06 '14 at 23:33

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