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If romantic realist art, including representational painting, romantic era symphonies, modern (but not post-modern) architecture, and man-glorifying realist sculpture, is the highest form of art, then how should one evaluate other modern forms?

Is rock & roll, or punk rock, or heavy metal music, necessarily bad for the soul? Is all abstract "art" with explicit or implicit, non-rational or irrational elements, vicious?

And to the extent that one is unable to change one's emotional response to, say, the music of one's youth, should one avoid it, indulge in it, or take some other strategy?

asked Sep 18 '10 at 12:44

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Aren't there two distinct questions here: 1) romantic realist art versus modern nonrepresentational art, and 2) romantic realist art in its highest form (the fine arts) versus popular art such as rock music?

(Sep 27 '10 at 15:39) Andrew Dalton ♦ Andrew%20Dalton's gravatar image
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We need a good working definition of "modern" here, and an applicable array of concretes to subsume under the concept. Are we talking Jackson Pollock paintings? I don't take issue with JP so much as the pretentious twits who think he's all that. (Then again, the entire extent of my knowledge of JP was gleaned from that Ed Harris movie; I gleaned that he was just a guy making colorful doodles and the "art world" wankers decided to make him famous.)

(Sep 28 '10 at 11:41) Chris Cathcart Chris%20Cathcart's gravatar image

I will respond in terms of rock & roll music as it is the only art form I'm qualified to comment on. It depends on the theme. The lyric in the Four Seasons song " Dawn" says " Dawn go away I'm no good for you" and " think what your future would be with a poor boy like me." Clearly self sacrificing for the "good" of the other. This is vicious self hatred. Contrast this with Sam Cooke's "What a wonderfull world" lyric, in which he sings "I don't claim to be an A student, but I'm trying to be, 'cause maybe by being an A student baby, I can win your love for me". Here, this guy knows he's worthy of the love he seeks and is willing to work for it. A definite statement of self esteem. Art promoting life, as is it's proper function. No genre can be deemed good or evil. Each work must stand on it's own, according to it's theme.

answered Sep 18 '10 at 13:31

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And do you believe, as I do, that the purely musical aspect, though perhaps impossible to judge conceptually, is critical to it's pro- or anti- value nature?

If so, and if it's historically premature to claim an objective evaluation of the purely musical, how best to judge and act on your own judgments, for your own sake, in this regard?

(Sep 18 '10 at 13:55) Robert Nasir ♦ Robert%20Nasir's gravatar image

Hmm ... perhaps that should be a question in it's own right ...

(Sep 18 '10 at 13:56) Robert Nasir ♦ Robert%20Nasir's gravatar image

Robert: When I studied music at S.U.N.Y. (in the 70's)there were many discussions about this subject. The Avant Garde, the so called "new music" etc. People banging brake drums with hammers. Anything you can imagine. I considered all of it to be just noise until one piece made me laugh and laugh hard. The humor was unmistakable. That piece made me feel good so I have to consider it valid. That's me acting on my own judgment. Nothing profound, but it's me.

(Sep 18 '10 at 15:59) adamsdad ♦ adamsdad's gravatar image

"Each work must stand on it's own, according to it's theme." That line perfectly states my approach to the music. There are songs I enjoy from nearly every genre, and I have no favorite genre.

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1) Accordingly. 2) Yes. 3) No.

answered Nov 07 '10 at 16:57

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